What Mr. Obama and much of the press have failed to mention is that the Korans were destroyed along with other materials, all of which had extremist messages written on them. Many reportedly were being used for communications that would likely result in more attacks on our troops. Yes, the Korans that our military so dutifully provides for the detainees/prisoners, because the words contained therein mean so much, do not seem to hold the place of importance that we had thought. The same Koran for which our troops must use gloves when handling are perfectly fine mediums for inscribing whatever notes the pious detainees would like. In this case the messages were determined to be a security issue and the material was consequently destroyed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57381753/official-burned-qurans-held-extremist-messages/
The US has been instructed by our Muslim overlords to "kill" "beat" and " take them as prisoners" those responsible for destroying the material on which the extremist messages were written. No indication was provided as to the order in which they were to be killed, beaten and taken prisoner. Perhaps the quote was supposed to have been read right-to-left as opposed to our method.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/talibans-response-obamas-apology-kill-them-beat-them-take-them-prisoners
The photo (Above link) of what is euphemistically referred to as a protest is interesting. The base looks like it is under siege.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/qurans-and-other-islamic-material-burned-in-afghanistan-were-being-used-to-facilitate-extremist-comm.html
My understanding of Islamic law is that old, worn-out Korans must not be destroyed but laid to rest in repositories where the books will slowly decompose over time. Defaced (Presumably this includes scribbling notes on them) Korans are not to be used.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1999/01/what-is-the-koran/4024/ **
The problem is that our military did not feel that this was a good idea since the messages needed to be disposed of right away - many were clearly communications that were likely to result in more attacks on our troops. This of course did not sit well with our democracy-embracing friends.
Note that President Hamid Karzai has called for public trials of those responsible for the burnings.
This video of yet another "apology" is a must-see. I am tempted to tell the reader what it really is but I will refrain from being a spoiler:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/a-real-apology-to-karzai-on-behalf-of-all-free-americans.html
Many of us hoped that our presence in Afghanistan would have better results than simply wiping out the existing terrorist training camps. Few today have a shred of that hope left.
The following three paragraphs are from a previous post with a few additions:
As I had written earlier, most of the people of Afghanistan are descended from proud peoples, mainly Indo-European Iranians ( Not Persian of modern Iran, which is a subgroup of Iranian) and Turkics (Not Ottomans and others of Modern Turkey, also subgroups of the widespread ethnic Turks). All of these peoples had a sense of their identity prior to the arrival of Islam into that region. Indeed, related tribes such as the Scythians refused to surrender to the Achaemenid Persian King Darius I during his campaign prior to the main Greco-Persian wars. Other Iranian tribes fiercely resisted Alexander the Great's invasion over 150 years later. Those who did make peace with the Macedonian King did so only under the most honorable of terms.
One point that is not addressed very often is the Arabization of regions once Islam is entrenched. No matter what the culture of a particular group, Islam turns each one into a more severe mirror-image of a pagan Arab society. The Koran, if it indeed going to be a Koran, must be written in Arabic*** or it can only be considered a commentary of that book of tolerance.This and other Arab-superiority factors tend to cause converted societies to try their best to prove that they are not second-class Muslims. Not only does the society become Arab-like, it generally has a tendency to become as severe as possible in its quest to become purely Islamic. Those of these cultures seem to seek to be "more Arab than the Arabs themselves".
What is left of those once-proud peoples are the tattered and stagnated remains. Where daughters were once held in esteem, they now are cast off to be horrifically abused by their new families. Most are not aware that Alexander the Great's first wife, Roxanne (Or Roxana) was the daughter of a Iranian noble named Oxyartes. This man was a proud warrior and leader. Even though he had been defeated by Alexander's capture of the Sogdian fortress, Oxyartes would never have allowed the Macedonian King to get away with treating his daughter with anything less than the utmost of respect.
** and ***
-Note that, far from being a purely Arabic book as the Koran is claimed to be, Islam's scriptures are a motley collection of citations from several sources. Many have a Christian Syro-Aramaic origin. In fact, several key words and phrases in the Koran are simply unintelligible to a person who only speaks Arabic. This has resulted in several translations in the official Arabic Koran that are very likely to be significant mistakes.+ Note also that there is no evidence that Arabic existed in a written form until after the era in which the Koran was supposed to have been completed. Contrary to further claims that the text of the Koran has been perfectly preserved from the beginning, there is a wealth of historical evidence that indicates that it underwent a number of major revisions long after Mohammed's death.
I will do a full post on the history of the early Koran and its revisions when I can carve out some time. In the meantime, these sites will provide a good start for anyone who wishes to know more:
The last link is the same as the one that I cited when noting Islamic thought in regards to worn or defaced Korans. It is valuable as a source as it is about manuscripts that were found in a repository in Yemen several years ago. The Yemeni government has been reluctant to allow a full study of these as Muslims do not tend to be as tolerant as Jews and Christians are when it comes to researching documents that apply to their religions, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls.
A Pakistani immigrant in Spain has called for the banning of the Koran in his new country. He lists ten reasons for this:
This was gleaned today from a news feed at the blogsite Gatesof Vienna.
http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2012/02/spain-paki-refugee-calls-for-koran-to.html
"The Koran is not a sacred and religious book, but a violent book, full of hatred and discrimination.
The Koran is a horrible book which provokes a community which calls itself Muslims to undertake jihad, kill innocent people and destroy the peace of the world.
The Koran is responsible for all the terrorism we have seen in recent years in which thousands of people lost their lives.
The Koran is a book which contains evil teachings and forces its believers to capture the entire world and total power at any price.
The Koran is a book which legally permits and incites hatred and violence and for that reason it is not compatible with the modern world including Spain.
The Koran is a book which directly discriminates between human beings
The Koran is a book which does not permit freedom of expression or religious freedom
The Koran is a book which causes women to suffer and be tortured by means of its unjust and macho laws.
The Koran is a book which rather than teach unity, teaches disunity and in this way does not allow its believers to form friendships with those who are not Muslim, because in the eyes of the Koran they are infidels.
The Koran is a major threat to the free society of Spain. A book which clearly offers a message of jihad, killing, hating, discrimination and vengeance for that reason cannot be compatible with the Spanish system in any sense. It is a book totally contrary to what the law and constitution of Spain say. And it is inciting hatred and violence in our country.Source: Minuto Digital Via: La Tercera Yihad"
A Pakistani immigrant in Spain has called for the banning of the Koran in his new country. He lists ten reasons for this:
This was gleaned today from a news feed at the blogsite Gatesof Vienna.
http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2012/02/spain-paki-refugee-calls-for-koran-to.html
"The Koran is not a sacred and religious book, but a violent book, full of hatred and discrimination.
The Koran is a horrible book which provokes a community which calls itself Muslims to undertake jihad, kill innocent people and destroy the peace of the world.
The Koran is responsible for all the terrorism we have seen in recent years in which thousands of people lost their lives.
The Koran is a book which contains evil teachings and forces its believers to capture the entire world and total power at any price.
The Koran is a book which legally permits and incites hatred and violence and for that reason it is not compatible with the modern world including Spain.
The Koran is a book which directly discriminates between human beings
The Koran is a book which does not permit freedom of expression or religious freedom
The Koran is a book which causes women to suffer and be tortured by means of its unjust and macho laws.
The Koran is a book which rather than teach unity, teaches disunity and in this way does not allow its believers to form friendships with those who are not Muslim, because in the eyes of the Koran they are infidels.
The Koran is a major threat to the free society of Spain. A book which clearly offers a message of jihad, killing, hating, discrimination and vengeance for that reason cannot be compatible with the Spanish system in any sense. It is a book totally contrary to what the law and constitution of Spain say. And it is inciting hatred and violence in our country.Source: Minuto Digital Via: La Tercera Yihad"
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I do not support the idea of banning books or other literature as doing so does two things:
Opens the door to banning other material.
Gives a book such as the Koran a reverse sort of legitimacy. By being banned, it becomes a focal point around which those who are opposed the the current establishment or culture can rally. In the absence or any real reasons to rebel, many will turn to the banned book as their source of identification. Turning towards Islam as a means to rebel against one's own culture has already occurred in Western nations.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-islamification-of-britain-record-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html
I do not support the idea of banning books or other literature as doing so does two things:
Opens the door to banning other material.
Gives a book such as the Koran a reverse sort of legitimacy. By being banned, it becomes a focal point around which those who are opposed the the current establishment or culture can rally. In the absence or any real reasons to rebel, many will turn to the banned book as their source of identification. Turning towards Islam as a means to rebel against one's own culture has already occurred in Western nations.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-islamification-of-britain-record-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html
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