I was brought to the article on the bikya masr website. In that article, I found some disturbing quotes in which some in Egypt are stating that an appreciable amount of claims of abductions are actually false accusations. These are said to be made by victim's families, who are supposedly ashamed that their daughters fled their homes to escape the strict rules of their households.
http://bikyamasr.com/59521/egypts-copts-protest-disappearance-of-girls/
"But some women’s rights advocates here argue that these are not kidnappings. More often, they see these cases as cries for help by young women in the socially conservative Coptic community, which traces its church to the first century when, by traditional belief, the apostle Mark founded it in Egypt as the first Christian church in history.
In particular, rights activists say the missing young women draw attention to customs among traditional Copts, particularly the lack of access to divorce and the practice of arranged marriages.
“A key reason for the so-called ‘kidnappings’ is that Coptic women have no right to divorce,” Nehad Abul Komsan, head of the Cairo-based Egyptian Center for Women’s Rights and now leading member of the newly re-established National Council of women, told Bikyamasr.com in a previous interview on the subject.
“This means that if their parents tell them they are going to marry their cousin, they have to submit to this and have no choice . . . So they turn to Islam, not because of a spiritual belief in the religion but because it gives them more of an opportunity to choose their life’s path,” she said."
As one will see when reading the link, these quotes were taken from today's article - February 29, 2012. It does not take a genius to second-guess the such claims as few know better than the Copts that life, as strict as it may be in a very traditional Orthodox family, is far less restrictive than that of women in Muslim families, especially those of a nation like Egypt. I have attended Coptic Orthodox Christmas services here in New Jersey on two occasions and am quite familiar with several Coptic individuals. What I have witnessed are women and young girls who seem to be far more free in their manner of dress, contact with males, and living in general, than are their Muslim counterparts.
Since my red flags went up, I did some searching and came up with this article from the same website but dated September 29, 2009:
And some quotes from the article:
“A key reason for the so-called ‘kidnappings’ is that Coptic women have no right to divorce,” said Nahed Abul Komsan, head of the Cairo-based Egyptian Center for Women’s Rights, which is the leading women’s rights group in the country.
“This means that if their parents tell them they are going to marry their cousin, they have to submit to this and have no choice . . . So they turn to Islam, not because of a spiritual belief in the religion but because it gives them more of an opportunity to choose their life’s path,” she said."
Wow, that is pretty darn close to the same thing.
Now, one could easily get sidetracked while arguing the details of such claims. While marriages among first cousins is dreadfully widespread in Muslim cultures, as is the prohibition of refusing to accept an arranged marriage, I will avoid getting mired in arguing their points as doing so will allow more dignity than their claims deserve.
Now, a mysterious "Copt" who gives her name only as "Laura' is also quoted in both above articles:
February 2012,
“We, as Coptic women, have to deal with what our priests tell us and force upon us on a daily basis and often many women just can’t take it any longer so they just leave their families and run off with a Muslim man,” she says."
September, 2009
"Laura, a Coptic woman in her mid-20s living in Alexandria who asked that her surname not be used, agreed. She said that while a few of the kidnappings may be authentic, most of the media reports are based on fabrications made by the families to disguise their daughters’ dissatisfactions. [sic]
“We, as Coptic women, have to deal with what our priests tell us and force upon us on a daily basis and often many women just can’t take it any longer so they just leave their families and run off with a Muslim man,” she says."
Again, the same thing a year and a half apart with no indications of this fact in the article from 2012.
I have to think that these statements are purposely designed to not only place the blame squarely at the feet of Coptic families and their clergy, but to perform a massive cover-up of the plague of abductions, rapes, forced conversions,and ensuing forced marriages (Usually to their rapists) of Coptic women, often as young as 15. Pressure by Muslim authorities and bullying Muslim individuals or groups on anyone reporting anything that occurs between Muslims and non-Muslims often results in sugar-coated versions of the story or outright acts of finding fault with the victims.
Although it tends to fall on deaf ears, many have stepped up to state the plight of the Copts. The accounts are stomach-turning. Rapes, forced recitations of the Shahadah, (The statement of belief that makes one a Muslim) forced marriages (From which escape is not nearly as easy as it is from the supposedly horrid Coptic families), and terrible abuse. To top it all off, Egyptian authorities refuse to recognize the right of a new convert (Especially if she is a minor) to change religions (Back to Christianity), so, if a Coptic girl can be said to have recited the Shahadah, the state will not take her wishes into consideration. Once a victim has given in and made the profession of faith, she is whisked off to a government facility where she is promptly issued an ID that identifies her as a Muslim. (Egyptian IDs state the religion of the person) Even in the case of a future divorce, she is not granted the recognition of a change of religion and any children remain with the rapist's family. In one case, the victim felt that she had nowhere to go and wound up in a relationship with her lawyer, who forced her to be a prostitute.
“We, as Coptic women, have to deal with what our priests tell us and force upon us on a daily basis and often many women just can’t take it any longer so they just leave their families and run off with a Muslim man,” she says."
Again, the same thing a year and a half apart with no indications of this fact in the article from 2012.
I have to think that these statements are purposely designed to not only place the blame squarely at the feet of Coptic families and their clergy, but to perform a massive cover-up of the plague of abductions, rapes, forced conversions,and ensuing forced marriages (Usually to their rapists) of Coptic women, often as young as 15. Pressure by Muslim authorities and bullying Muslim individuals or groups on anyone reporting anything that occurs between Muslims and non-Muslims often results in sugar-coated versions of the story or outright acts of finding fault with the victims.
Although it tends to fall on deaf ears, many have stepped up to state the plight of the Copts. The accounts are stomach-turning. Rapes, forced recitations of the Shahadah, (The statement of belief that makes one a Muslim) forced marriages (From which escape is not nearly as easy as it is from the supposedly horrid Coptic families), and terrible abuse. To top it all off, Egyptian authorities refuse to recognize the right of a new convert (Especially if she is a minor) to change religions (Back to Christianity), so, if a Coptic girl can be said to have recited the Shahadah, the state will not take her wishes into consideration. Once a victim has given in and made the profession of faith, she is whisked off to a government facility where she is promptly issued an ID that identifies her as a Muslim. (Egyptian IDs state the religion of the person) Even in the case of a future divorce, she is not granted the recognition of a change of religion and any children remain with the rapist's family. In one case, the victim felt that she had nowhere to go and wound up in a relationship with her lawyer, who forced her to be a prostitute.
The following quote is from the link below:
http://csi-int.org/pdfs/csi_coptic_report.pdf
"The following relationship patterns are consistently observed in cases of forced
conversion and/or forced marriage of Coptic women to Muslim men.
• Girls are befriended by Muslim girls who are classmates or neighbors, and who
introduce the Coptic girl to their families where they meet a Muslim man.
• Women and girls are befriended by an older Muslim woman who becomes a
mother figure and trusted confidante. This woman later provides material and
emotional assistance during difficult times and introduces the Coptic girl to a
Muslim man.
• Women and girls are approached by a Muslim benefactor, sometimes a man or
woman, who offers necessary services and assistance.
• Once trust has been established, the women and girls are lured into an isolated
place [Or Drugged or held down by family members, including females] and raped. Following a rape, Coptic women experience shame and fear of
how their families will respond. They become more willing to consider staying
with the Muslim family and marrying their abductors. These marriages are
usually accompanied by conversion to Islam at the insistence of the man’s family.
A new Muslim identity card is usually issued immediately by the state.
• Once married, girls experience various forms of psychological and physical abuse
from rapes and beatings to verbal abuse, confinement to their apartments and
isolation from their families.
• Women report that, once the marriage has taken place, the new couple receives a
material benefits. These can include a new apartment and furniture as well as a
job for the unemployed husband.
• It is almost impossible for the woman to get her Christian identity card back, a
fundamental freedom and requirement for all Egyptian citizens.
Islam forbids a Muslim woman from marrying a non-Muslim man. However, a
Muslim man may marry a non-Muslim woman without her conversion to Islam. In
the cases examined for this report, conversions and marriages usually occur Christian Solidarity International Coptic Foundation for Human Rights
November 2009
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simultaneously or within days of each other. Conversions are not initiated by the
Coptic girls themselves. In many cases, the young women protest their conversion;
in order to secure compliance, the women are often raped, beaten, threatened and
occasionally drugged by the man who eventually becomes her husband and/or
members of his family. It is therefore necessary to inquire further as to why forced
marriages of a Coptic woman to a Muslim man are accompanied by a conversion."
I tend to be of the opinion that the vast majority of young Muslim girls who "befriend" these soon-to-be abducted girls are not malicious. They are in all probability forced to do this by their male and older female relatives. In the few cases in which girls do indeed ran away from home and are taken in by a seemingly kind Muslim woman, the results are the same - rapes, drugging followed by rapes, forced conversions and marriages.
Here are two more links on this ongoing tragedy:
"The following relationship patterns are consistently observed in cases of forced
conversion and/or forced marriage of Coptic women to Muslim men.
• Girls are befriended by Muslim girls who are classmates or neighbors, and who
introduce the Coptic girl to their families where they meet a Muslim man.
• Women and girls are befriended by an older Muslim woman who becomes a
mother figure and trusted confidante. This woman later provides material and
emotional assistance during difficult times and introduces the Coptic girl to a
Muslim man.
• Women and girls are approached by a Muslim benefactor, sometimes a man or
woman, who offers necessary services and assistance.
• Once trust has been established, the women and girls are lured into an isolated
place [Or Drugged or held down by family members, including females] and raped. Following a rape, Coptic women experience shame and fear of
how their families will respond. They become more willing to consider staying
with the Muslim family and marrying their abductors. These marriages are
usually accompanied by conversion to Islam at the insistence of the man’s family.
A new Muslim identity card is usually issued immediately by the state.
• Once married, girls experience various forms of psychological and physical abuse
from rapes and beatings to verbal abuse, confinement to their apartments and
isolation from their families.
• Women report that, once the marriage has taken place, the new couple receives a
material benefits. These can include a new apartment and furniture as well as a
job for the unemployed husband.
• It is almost impossible for the woman to get her Christian identity card back, a
fundamental freedom and requirement for all Egyptian citizens.
Islam forbids a Muslim woman from marrying a non-Muslim man. However, a
Muslim man may marry a non-Muslim woman without her conversion to Islam. In
the cases examined for this report, conversions and marriages usually occur Christian Solidarity International Coptic Foundation for Human Rights
November 2009
- 13 -
simultaneously or within days of each other. Conversions are not initiated by the
Coptic girls themselves. In many cases, the young women protest their conversion;
in order to secure compliance, the women are often raped, beaten, threatened and
occasionally drugged by the man who eventually becomes her husband and/or
members of his family. It is therefore necessary to inquire further as to why forced
marriages of a Coptic woman to a Muslim man are accompanied by a conversion."
I tend to be of the opinion that the vast majority of young Muslim girls who "befriend" these soon-to-be abducted girls are not malicious. They are in all probability forced to do this by their male and older female relatives. In the few cases in which girls do indeed ran away from home and are taken in by a seemingly kind Muslim woman, the results are the same - rapes, drugging followed by rapes, forced conversions and marriages.
Here are two more links on this ongoing tragedy:
http://tradcatholicperspective.blogspot.com/2011/06/christian-girls-kidnapped-by-moslems.html
I can only come to one conclusion - The Copts are being treated as a source of breeding-stock for Muslim men in Egypt. They are descended from the indigenous Egyptians of antiquity. They are not Arabs, but a long-subdued class of people who have somehow maintained their religious faith and ethnic identity for well over thirteen hundred years. The families, whose grief we cannot imagine, are not helped by the police and are blamed for being so strict as to force their daughters into becoming Muslim wives. Perpetrators are also not punished. Their situation is a travesty. Those of the West must raise their voices and demand support for the Copts and other Christians in Muslim nations.
I can only come to one conclusion - The Copts are being treated as a source of breeding-stock for Muslim men in Egypt. They are descended from the indigenous Egyptians of antiquity. They are not Arabs, but a long-subdued class of people who have somehow maintained their religious faith and ethnic identity for well over thirteen hundred years. The families, whose grief we cannot imagine, are not helped by the police and are blamed for being so strict as to force their daughters into becoming Muslim wives. Perpetrators are also not punished. Their situation is a travesty. Those of the West must raise their voices and demand support for the Copts and other Christians in Muslim nations.
While the West tells itself that it cannot happen here, rapes and gang-rapes are already occurring in Europe on a plague-like scale. Islam is a barbaric system that recreates the pagan Arab world wherever it goes. While its adherents (Some sincerely so) paint the picture of a religion that is founded on faith in the same God as that of Jews and Christians, it is actually a fusion of the label of that God with the personality and mindset of a deity of the pre-Islamic Arab world where slave-taking, murderous raids, and looting were the norm.
The Copts, who are treated as hostages of pirates in their own country, are being blamed for the crimes committed against their own people. It seems that Islam, without an underclass to hold in brutal subjugation, has no option but to slide into stagnation. Like the Aztecs of Mexico, who held other tribes in reserve to serve as sources for human sacrifice and cannibalism, Muslims can only see themselves as something special if they have another non-Muslim group that they can keep under their thumbs to abuse at will. There are many instances in the early days of Islam where conquered peoples were not even allowed to convert to Islam as this would result in a loss of revenue (One less person or family to pay the non-Muslim "jizya" tax). Those who pushed for permission were forced to undergo the humiliating process of becoming a Mawali, where the convert was placed under the patronage of a ranking Muslim and not the allowed full financial benefits granted to a Muslim. These second-class Muslims were involved in numerous uprisings against Muslim rulers in later years as they supported yet another would-be Muslim ruler who they believed would treat them better.
Spread the word - Christians and other non-Muslim are the victims of Islamic "tolerance" and they must be protected or granted immediate permanent visas to live in the West.
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